Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

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Re: Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

Postby remmers » June 16th, 2009, 10:14 pm

I'm under the impression tires cost a heck of a lot more in other classes, possibly also use more fuel too.
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Re: Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

Postby AJP » June 17th, 2009, 12:02 am

Most of the youth in FV are just pampered children of old time Vee racers. Some are more interested in using their fancy phone in the race car than in actually making the car faster.


That's a bit negative isn't it?
Should they be spending their money on fancy intake manifolds? I'll bet they just want to get good enough at driving so they can appreciate what a good intake manifold can do for them and they would rather listen to their phone than a grumpy old man :lol:


I feel the thing we need to convey to potential newcomers, young or old, doctors, bakers or intake manifold makers, is that FV is still the least expensive open wheel class (with a suspension) and yes, it is old technology but it's faster than your mothers Ford Escort or your fathers 325i around a race track and you can tow it to the track with either the Escort or the BMW. If you are handy you can still make a winning race car and if you're not so handy you will still have someone to race with. Bringing a Vee to a car show is a great idea...that is the audience that would understand that sticking an engine on the back of a tube frame chassis is pretty much a race car...and those fancy phone toting youngsters may just have a blast with their crazy iPhone, GPS, data acquisition, track mapping, video takin, lap timing and other really cool stuff that is available to us all now.

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Re: Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

Postby Bill_Bonow » June 17th, 2009, 8:29 am

AJP wrote:..... that FV is still the least expensive open wheel class (with a suspension)


Andy,

I'd challenge this with one exception. It is the least expensive open wheel SCCA National class with suspension. However, that other open wheeled air cooled VW SCCA Regional class is way less expensive to build, race and maintain (and the kids like it too).

As for Brian Harding, true, he is a bit salty. But, weed through his sarcastic delivery methods and he is never far off the mark.
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Re: Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

Postby Veefan » June 17th, 2009, 2:57 pm

“Some are more interested in using their fancy phone in the race car than in actually making the car faster”

How do you know you’re going faster? … wait until the end of the race and get your lap times… Bad, Pit board…ok… use a lap timer… strap a 2x3 box to your dash, another one on the roll bar… and another one by the track… good… Replace the dash and all the sensors with a data acquisition dash… better… take the phone you have in your pocket, load an app… to track your lap times, G’s, track mapping… check the weather map while your on the grid… then make dinner reservations waiting in the impound (well maybe some day)… I’m real close to the 53 average age, I’m with the KID’S!!!!! I loaded the app, on my iPhone really cool, getting the 3Gs Friday, racing with it at Limerock this Saturday.
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Re: Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

Postby Steven McWilliams JR » June 17th, 2009, 8:48 pm

Yeah, because all I did was crash my way through karts, and still was able to finish out of top 3 once in 3 years, so my dad wants me to risk the FV drivers safety and cars, not his friends.
Nope, that's not it at all. He wants me to drive it this year, but he just got brand new shocks, diffuser,engine head, cam, and tail peice, and wing on it, and he wanted to drive a practically brand new car before I did. and this way we can both race together, not share one car. If the cost wasn't so different, why isn't everybody just racing Formula Continentals?- Tires every weekend, takes more time to prepare the car, probably uses up more fuel -2000cc vs. 1200cc 145hp v 60hp, etc.
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Re: Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

Postby remmers » June 17th, 2009, 9:05 pm

also motor rebuilts probably cost one heck of a pretty penny more, anything you buy to update the car is gonna cost a whole boatload more too. i'm sure if you want to run mid to back of the pack, you could spend comperable. but who wants to do that?
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Re: Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

Postby Steven McWilliams JR » June 17th, 2009, 9:09 pm

yeah the whole thing was very expensive...

now back to..

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Re: Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

Postby hardingfv32-1 » June 18th, 2009, 11:27 am

The operating costs for a weekend are quite similar ASSUMING you already own a car. The motor and tires can last just as long if you choose to run the car that way. There are FV competitors that have new tires every weekend. Car prep is the same if the cars are maintained to the same level. Why would a rebuild be that more expensive, same number of bearings, valves, etc.

I would estimate that an FC engine is more stock than a FV engine. Updates: Does FC have a pricey manifold update available from Monster Manie?

The bottom line...he had to buy another car. That is hedge against possible damage to his and friends cars.

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Re: Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

Postby supersmile » June 18th, 2009, 12:42 pm

FWIW, and its a bit off-topic:

FC tires generally are OK for 8 heat cycles unless you are up front at Nationals..$850/set

"Name Brand" rebuild around $4500 every other year, with perhaps a head refresh every year. That's assuming a 10-12 race season, no bad over-revs, and again, not at the pointy end at Nationals. The manifold is essentially stock.

Brakes last forever, you spend a bit more on transmission fluid as you toss a quart everytime you change gearsets, slightly more fuel consumption (still on Cam2 or Avgas)

Don't ask if you knock off a corner, wing, or diffuser.

But the fixed costs are the same: entry fee, hotels, tow gas, food, and the rest.

I haven't found 2 and a half seasons in FC to be much more expensive than FV, and the cars can actually cost a lot less to buy than a good Vee if, again, you don't plan on running up front in Nationals.

But the races don't seem to last as long....
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Re: Possible way to reach out to a younger audience

Postby Matt King » June 18th, 2009, 3:10 pm

A clapped out, obsolete, and generally uncompetitive FC that needs a total overhaul can be bought for less what a really good National level FV costs, but you can buy a clapped out, obsolete, and generally uncompetive FV that needs a total overhaul for under $3000, so let's compare "apples to apples."
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